Gordon Carrera

From your perspective, you know this world, how do you think an intelligence service would see him?

A very honest intelligence officer.

They would have been interested in him.

So maybe there with that question hanging, that very interesting question hanging about the potential, at least, value of someone like Epstein.

Let's stop and next time we'll delve into that a bit deeper and look at some of the further evidence and some of those claims regarding the fact and the idea, at least, that he might have had some kind of relationship with the spy world.

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Welcome to The Rest Is Classified.

I'm Gordon Carrera.

And I'm David McCloskey.

And this is the second, David, in our emergency series looking at that US mission that took out Nicolás Maduro in Venezuela.

Our first episode, we looked at the operation itself and we recorded that on Sunday, January the 4th.

We're recording this Monday, January the 5th, so about kind of

15, 18 hours later, really just a couple of days after the first news broke.

And in that first episode, we looked at how the operation itself unfolded, how the US pulled off this, you know, really surprising move of being able to capture the sitting leader of Venezuela.