Gordon Carrera

And I guess this time we're going to step back a bit and look at the whys.

But there are a few more details emerging, aren't there, David, about the operation itself just in the last few hours.

You had a long quote from a fictional TV series with someone talking about Venezuela.

And I was like, hang on a sec.

The fact is better than the fiction, which is maybe should be my general kind of battle cry about you fiction writers.

Except when it comes to my novels.

We don't need spy fiction.

We don't need thrillers.

We've got the real life stuff going on.

I think one of the things that we may learn more about in the days and weeks to come is how far there were back-channeled secret contacts with people in the Maduro regime, supposed regime loyalists, in which the US is reaching out to them and saying, if we remove him, will you play ball?

How will you operate?

I think there was a lot of that going on quietly, maybe even at some of the highest levels.

which may have assisted this operation.

But yeah, I think that will take a bit of time to fully emerge, but it's very interesting.

Although I hear that Brooklyn detention center ain't the place to be and not the place to wake up.

So I'm not sure it's that good the treatment.

That's right.

And I think it is important to answer that because I think it also takes you to what is the US strategy and what might it do next?

So it's a kind of answer with big consequences.

I think maybe the easiest way to break it up is into three areas, drugs, oil, and raw power.