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Gordon Carrera

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The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Now, I'm not convinced they're going to invade Greenland,

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

I mean, they've already got a military base up there at Pitterfick, at Thule, which, as we talked about in the previous series, I visited many years ago.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And so it may be more about kind of increasing the reach of American power on Greenland rather than actually taking it over.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

But clearly, suddenly that looks much more real than it did before, I think.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Yeah, but the Danish leader has basically said hands off.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And even Keir Starmer, who spends, you know, Prime Minister, who has to walk a very careful line when it comes to kind of

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

relationships with the US has basically said, I agree with the Danes, I stand with them and their view on the future of Greenland.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

So you can sense there the worries that are growing.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

The US and Denmark are two NATO countries.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

But if the Don Roe doctrine really does keep pushing outwards and is as aggressive as it looks, then the tensions could get pretty

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Pretty real, pretty quickly.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

But I think a lot of it does depend, doesn't it, David, on what happens in Venezuela.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

It's too early to say.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

We don't really know what their political complexion is going to be like.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And there's one lesson from previous events in things like Iraq and Libya, which is it's one thing to remove a leader.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

It's another thing to build a stable, enduring regime.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

And we just don't know what will come next.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Have you seen this one?

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Oh, no, I haven't seen that.

The Rest Is Classified
115. Intelligence Scoop: Why Venezuela Isn’t About Oil (Ep 2)

Yeah.