Gordon Carrera

Is that really what they're called?

No, really.

Yeah, yeah.

I've heard some people doing some fake monies and they're going to start calling themselves artist validators.

Back a good year ago when we did MKUltra.

I mean, this is where Sidney Gottlieb famously came out of.

Friend of the pod.

Friend of the pod, the people who made the poisons at one point in the 50s and the 60s.

But I guess now it's also – it's a wide array of skill sets who are doing all kinds of things.

But it's very practical, isn't it?

Disguises as well as forged documents, these kind of things.

I mean, you do wonder how much of it would be done by AI now these days, some of those –

some of those documentation and those things.

But I guess some of it is still very physical, isn't it?

There's something very physical and practical about the devices, the disguises, the forgeries, but that particularly in this era are having to be made by these people.

Including out of Iran.

I mean, that's what I find so interesting is that, so he's running disguises, he's running this authentication stuff, but he actually directly gets involved on the ground with doing exfiltrations, including one out of Iran earlier that year with, I think, an asset codenamed Raptor, who'd been a...

a colonel in the Charles military, and he'd been a CIA asset, and who they had to get out.

And so he actually is really involved in planning and executing these exfiltration operations using his documents and disguises.

Of course, yeah.