Gordon Carrera

And this one is a corker because this one, he gathers his top aides and he says, guys, there is no WMD.

Yeah.

And it sounds like some of his generals are actually stunned by this because they'd always thought, well, he's, you know, I don't know about the WMD, but someone else, you know, he's definitely got some hidden somewhere.

And so it's this kind of weird thing where he's now telling his generals like, yeah, we got nothing.

And he says, you know, if anyone's got anything, any little bits of leftover stuff, destroy it, give it up.

We don't want them to find something themselves.

Yeah.

And he says, like, right, we've got to declare everything.

And so they're going to do this declaration, which is going to come in December, which is part of the UN resolution.

Jafar, this nuclear scientist who I met, is one of the people working on this declaration.

And he is trying to own up to everything.

And they're going to send it to the UN.

And of course, London and Washington go, well, there's nothing new in this.

They're not admitting to anything.

Yeah, they're not admitting to anything.

It's so funny because Jafar is kind of tearing his hair out because he's like, we keep trying to tell people.

He's actually been to New York, Jafar, in April 2002 to meet-

Hans Blix, Mohamed El Baradai.

And he has to be calmed down by the other aides because he's so angry that they won't believe him when he's saying we've got nothing.

Although I also think part of the reason Jafar is so angry is that he's getting pitched at every stage along the way.