Gordon Carrera

Russians couldn't move easily in Western society, where suddenly you've got this period where, as we said, from the 90s to the 2000s, Russians can come into London. They can move around London. That's not suspicious. There's not a kind of barrier to it.

Russians couldn't move easily in Western society, where suddenly you've got this period where, as we said, from the 90s to the 2000s, Russians can come into London. They can move around London. That's not suspicious. There's not a kind of barrier to it.

So Anna, I think, is emblematic of this new type of spying that Russia can do, which is no need to do the deep training for some illegal spy, but take someone who's already moving in between the two societies or has got links in London or somewhere and just train them up, use them, make the most of them because they're there.

So Anna, I think, is emblematic of this new type of spying that Russia can do, which is no need to do the deep training for some illegal spy, but take someone who's already moving in between the two societies or has got links in London or somewhere and just train them up, use them, make the most of them because they're there.

So Anna, I think, is emblematic of this new type of spying that Russia can do, which is no need to do the deep training for some illegal spy, but take someone who's already moving in between the two societies or has got links in London or somewhere and just train them up, use them, make the most of them because they're there.

They've got the ability to kind of meet people and talk to people and move in interesting circles.

They've got the ability to kind of meet people and talk to people and move in interesting circles.

They've got the ability to kind of meet people and talk to people and move in interesting circles.