Gordon D’Arcy

Do you kind of break up the centre partnership now?

Do you invest in Jamie Osborne as a 12 or 13, as a second distributor, a second playmaker?

Because you look at the top French teams, we're struggling to get a second playmaker.

They almost have three playmakers in their team.

So...

Do you just start investing in Jamie Osborne as that extra decision maker?

Sounds like you think they should.

Yeah, I think Henshaw and Ringrose look to their age at the weekend, unfortunately.

And that's a reflection of how they're being asked to play as well.

But that physical side of it, you look at it and you go, OK, well, who played?

Who was better at it?

You kind of say the Bordeaux lads.

Yeah, I think there's less expectation with this time because, as you said, you're not coming in as favourites.

So that makes it a really interesting place for supporters and everything.

So when you start having, as I've had a few times this week, you start having kind of long conversations.

You almost start, you kind of flip between, I suppose, people who are really into rugby now.

you're almost they're trying to be overly analytical and they're almost finding reasons why leinster won't win kind of with the fingers crossed behind their back when you're just talking to a fan or somebody who's just you know a supporter they start you start finding it's almost the opposite you start finding reasons to go you're going like you're almost talking yourself into the win so it's really uh i find that dynamic really interesting i was on a panel earlier in the week and

Bernie Jackman was one of the panelists.

And, you know, he's looking at it absolutely dispassionately and kind of saying, oh, you know, it has to be a massive outperformance for Leinster to win that game.

And he probably is right on balance.