Grace Alice O'Shea

Why is that, do you think?

I think, you know, if you don't hear people openly saying, oh, this is something I struggle with, our human kind of brain can just go into that mode of, oh, but I must be the only one.

I think the more we talk about it, like with this, like with other podcasts, anything, I think hopefully over time, the less shame there will be.

Yes.

It's just, you know, if you can see people in the media or even in your real life talking about this stuff a bit more openly and a bit more vulnerably, then I don't think we would feel as ashamed.

Yeah.

You have to keep at it.

Keep at it.

Yeah, I mean, if you strip it right down, like as humans were born with an inbuilt fear of rejection, it's there for survival.

Like if you look back in human history, not so much, not as quite literally today, but, you know, before you would literally need to belong to a tribe or a clan to survive.

You know, you'd otherwise you'd starve, you'd die of exposure.

Like you had to, we had to group together.

So being rejected was obviously a life or death situation, like in the animal kingdom.

Now it's not quite as visceral, you know, we wouldn't starve to death instantly if we were rejected, but it is that inbuilt fear of others perceiving us negatively and rejecting us.

So really, I think that's what a lot of it revolves around is it's not just I'm weird or I'm abnormal.

It's and what will that cause?

Like what will be the effect of that?

Will people reject me or not want to be around me or see me differently?

Whereas at the end of the day, you know, rejection is kind of part of life, isn't it?

You know, you just get rejected now and then.