Grace Beverley

Because absolutely, yes, a lot of this shaming is coming from other women or other mothers or whatever it might be.

But I really don't want to stamp that label of the amount of people in my DMs being like, yeah, the mums are terrible, all of this.

And I'm like...

But I think that maybe gets us into the same place where we are, that I'm literally talking about.

It's like, yes, there must be loads of judgment.

And yes, I can see that.

And yes, I can see the just you waits and the you're doing it wrongs and all of that.

At the same time, all of this stems from a system in which...

the patriarchy is the way things are run, and therefore we believe that there is only space for so many of us, that there is only one right way to do things, that we have certain roles, and that all of these different things, it's like, I also don't agree with that.

Yeah.

And actually, the more you say this, this is why you should just do what feels right and know that you're never going to get it right in other people's eyes, but you can get it right in your eyes.

I do.

I mean, I fundamentally stand by that.

I want to go back to kind of your 20s and like the start of you realizing these labels at school.

How do you feel like those labels changed?

started to kind of carry over into your twenties?

Yeah, no, that makes total sense.

And do you feel like that was a change that happened more in your 30s or did it start to happen in your 20s?

I'm still going to have a nice time.

Like I'm still going to live my life.