Grace Beverley

That's a good place to be.

I feel like it's like you're doing the hard work, you feel challenged by it, but you also feel like skilled, you know where it's going, like it's something that you want to do.

I feel like that's such an exciting place to be.

And I'd love to speak all the way back to your first ever job.

You know, you speak a lot now about being labelled and being boxed in.

When was it that you first, I guess, realised that labels were being put on you?

It's so true, I think, that like what you kind of described in terms of the fact that when these labels are first put on you and you're first told, well, to be taken seriously, you have to do this or you have to do more of this or you can't do that.

Because of the patriarchy and the reward system, we do naturally become what would be known as pick me's.

Like, as in, like, it is a natural step because you're kind of trying to do the right thing.

You're like, OK, if this is the set of rules, it might be annoying, but this is the set of rules.

Therefore, if I'm the person who wants to have a high-powered job or if I'm the person who wants to get a boyfriend, the natural next step is that you need to fit into those things, which I think is such a formative experience that so many of us have had throughout kind of teenage years.

The system is so robust that...

their husbands or fathers uh word yeah any trial no absolutely and all of this like bleeds through to where we are now in ways that i think so many particularly like newer generations we feel like we are so far from the life that they used to be so like women not being able to buy a house or have a credit card or keep any of their wealth if they didn't have a husband if even if it'd been rightfully theirs or whatever it might be

I think we think we're so far from that.

It's so recent that it is impossible that it would not have knock-on impacts.

And we know the real-life impacts now, but I think that, like, what I'm loving seeing coming through is more of that recognition of, like, guys, we're actually... We're kind of only just over the, you know, step, and actually...

If you're not careful, as we've seen in recent years, things like Roe v. Wade being overturned, all of these different things, it's very easy to get back there.

Yeah, exactly.

I don't want to be that boring.

Yeah, no, 100%.