Grace Beverley

How have you thought about that over time?

Like, how has that changed as someone who was pushed to look a certain way and dress a certain way or whatever when you were trying to start out at the industry you're in now versus someone who's kind of, I guess, grown into themselves?

Yeah, no, I think that's really powerful.

And I think that it is sometimes those like cliches that you're like, yeah, it kind of like it does work.

And then it makes total sense.

Like when I...

see friends torn up over like how they're looking or how small they are or how big they are or like whatever it might be it's like genuinely how you look is the least interesting thing about you it's so so tough particularly now particularly with social media I would love to know because I think all of these things are easy to hear about I think that some people might listen and be like okay

Yeah, of course, I'd love to love myself.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

And same thing about, I guess, general confidence, because I think that it's, again, easy to see in hindsight how some people have built confidence, but actually like the practical steps to genuinely building confidence in a world where maybe you don't fit in the way that you thought you would, or you don't feel as happy about X, Y, Z. What would you say the biggest ways were that you like enabled your confidence to shift from that 30s to 20s?

Because I think that so many people probably...

listen and hold these views like I always have this massive cognitive dissonance between like hearing that and be like yeah and I don't care how I look and then I will feel shit about something or I won't like how a photo looks or I won't like how I look in something or whatever it might be and I'll be like ah you know it still gets to me and that's annoying because now I'm anti-feminist so like all of these different things so what would you say are the most practical steps you've taken to really increase that confidence or that difference between 30s and 20s

It is those like little practical things that like enable you to like really check yourself.

I do the exact same.

If I'm like scrolling past something and I think something nasty, I'm like, now say three nice things about that person.

And same if it's like my friends when they're like, you know, they say something horrible about themselves.

I'm like, okay, three nice things.

I think you'd be so surprised at how many people genuinely can't say three nice things about themselves at any one time.

And it's like, how can you go through life making the right decision for yourself if you genuinely think so lowly of yourself that you could not at any time when someone asks you, genuinely say three things that you like about yourself.