Graeme Souness

I mean, I'm interested to hear what Smudger has to say about

George Graham, because I imagine he was extremely fiery and got upset when things weren't going well.

He wouldn't be slow to point the finger at people so much.

Is that right?

No, I was going to say...

George would have seen him play.

Maybe he thought he could change him from being someone who went into the back four and got the ball cheaply.

I mean, at Liverpool, we had a name for that.

And it's called... The name of a player was around at that time.

I wouldn't disparage him here.

But, you know, don't be doing a... How do you...

Sorry.

I've heard the saying.

Yeah, well, they said, don't be doing a huddy, which meant you went into the back four unchallenged.

You got it, took a five, six yard pass and turned around.

And then you were faced with Germany 10 and the players you were playing against.

They wanted you.

as George was promoting at that time at Arsenal, you get off the front, you fight for the bits in midfield, get started from there.

And that's where the game has changed dramatically these days, where you see, and it seems to be acceptable, where midfield players go into the back four, they turn with the ball, standing next to the centre-halves, and they turn with the ball, and they're now looking at 11 players they're playing against.

So if you factor in his own goalkeeper, he's two centre-backs and two full-backs,