Graham Platner

Totally.

And, like, it's...

I'm not going to say I understand why people go the kind of like corporate pack, dark money route, because I mean, just ideologically, I can never really grasp that.

But from a practical perspective, there is an element where I can see someone who might not have the same sort of political foundation that I have.

I mean, if somebody comes along and says, hey, you never have to make a phone call again, and you don't have to go beg anybody for money, I can see someone being like, oh, well, that would mean that I could do more other stuff.

Right.

Although, I mean, that's not in any way, shape, or form remotely worth it.

And then there's just the...

There's just kind of interacting with the whole media landscape and political world as a pretty normal guy up until August.

And so, like, that's a whole wild experience.

Like, I open my phone and see my name and I'm like, I don't know.

No, no, no.

I don't want to see that.

Like, it's just this very.

And it's not always good.

Not mostly good.

No, it's such a, yeah, it's a very, like, it's just very surreal.

Yeah.

And I also very much understand why.

I guess the biggest lesson I have learned is structurally it's borderline impossible for regular people to pull this off.