Grant Davis

But he's like, he recognizes that Carl has a little bit of a tunnel vision and lacks perspective on the threat that juice box actually poses among other things that seem to be blind spots for Carl.

I mean, I think there's always been a little bit of a tenuous relationship, because I think... I mean, it seemed like they were friends, and in Juicebox he even mentions, like, you know, Carl did me a solid.

Right, but... But... Even in the...

The fourth book, The Gate of the Feral Gods, wasn't he a little bit trepidatious about like, we will broker a deal with her and we'll help you get to the floor.

You guys got to help us out.

It's still like a tit for tat.

It's not like a pure righteous, we're doing you a great solid with nothing in return.

It's a relationship, a transactional thing between them.

So is this a bit of treachery then?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I think that what's interesting is that we're learning that juice box is unlocking like what?

400 lifetimes of memories right now.

And is that just a lot of, of like fucked up confusion in her head?

It reminds me of Westworld.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When she starts unlocking all these other previous lives that are all stored in her memory, like that's fucked up.

Yeah.