Grant Davis

That is a badass.

Um, okay.

My other question, I don't want to leave this because I think there's other, another interesting thing here.

I want to touch on if juice box and her fellow changelings do get to the point where they can touch gods and replicate them.

I think that reading the, at least the first, uh, five books or so, six books, maybe the idea of the ascendancy, uh,

Is presented in a way of like, these gods are going to do their thing and you crawlers just lay low and try to survive.

And only one crawler's ever done it.

Otherwise, everyone either takes an exit deal or just dies on the 12th floor, it sounds like.

Okay.

So now Carl, like, part of me thinks, okay, he became a, not a war leader.

What's it called?

Warlord.

Warlord.

Yeah.

He became a warlord first ever to do it.

Carl's on trajectory to maybe become one of the first ever become an actual God.

Maybe that can happen.

But if he doesn't, he at least now potentially also has allies in the changelings who would be gods to fight on his behalf.

Yeah.

Can we be bros still?