Grant Harvey

Really excited about this one.

And Darren has a fascinating take that goes against what everyone's saying right now.

While the industry is screaming AI agents everywhere, he's arguing that companies need to get their automation house in order first, or they're setting themselves up for failure.

So, Darren, I guess our first question is something Corey and I talked a bit about is we usually tell people that there's a lot of companies that are, you know, marketing AI agents, let's say, but they're actually just, you know, agentic or automation workflows.

Both are cool.

But for an AI to be an agent, it needs to reason and act on a user's behalf.

So which one is make building?

I agree.

Yeah.

I think there's use cases for both, like everywhere.

You'll get there.

You'll get there.

So I guess what does a make agent do that standard automation workflows can't?

And when does the difference actually matter for a business?

He just wants a non-human to do it, I think, is what he's saying.

Make it like building Legos.

I have never seen that.

That is amazing.

So I just want to point out a couple of things, because I think everyone can understand the visual workflow here.

But then once you get to these little field boxes and what to put in where, that's where people get intimidated and perhaps stop working on it.