Grant Harvey

I've also, you know, I guess it's kind of the same, but I've also heard that environments can be data, or data can be environments.

Is that accurate, or is that completely off-base?

So would you say that you fall in the camp where you are more leaning towards Transformers as the path and scaling them up?

Or are you deeply like, no, we need a new architecture, kind of like the Richard Sutton, Andre Karpathy kind of path?

Where do you land on that?

It makes actually what you did unique because you raised $2 billion on the idea of open source.

And that was something that was kind of unheard of a couple months ago, I think.

I mean, this was coming seven months after you raised like at a $545 million valuation, right?

So what convinced investors to double down on you and open source?

I mean, I guess the question behind the question I was wondering is, do you think that the mentality of open source and how competitive it could be has changed in the industry?

Do you think that, I guess more broadly, do you think that there is a chance that open source could even surpass the big labs, especially if you're financed enough to compete with them?

So we really believe... More people are using it so they understand the code.

at a high level like you know most people are like good people who want to ensure that like these models are safe and we want to just like you know work with them to ensure that you know our models are like safer than other models yeah I agree with your thesis like I do think that it makes it safer and I think that there are maybe perhaps more risks from the big labs keeping their technology closed I just think that's it's good that they're publishing stuff but I mean

Yeah, it seems like what I'm hearing is that your company's thesis is that open source can eventually open or even surpass cloud from the speed that comes with open source when everyone's building on it and contributing to it per the open science idea that you shared earlier.

Do you think that that's accurate?

And if so, is it just a matter of scale at this point of just scaling up the open science and getting it out there to as many people as possible?

Well, you yourself are an engineer, so you're building tools.

I assume you're building AI tools with coding AI tools, right?

Yeah.

Okay.