Greg Hickman

But another point to that too, it's like, and I'll be quick with this one.

Sure.

Like,

With Mobile Marketing Engine, no one thought the solution we had was solving a problem.

And let alone, they didn't even know there was a problem.

So I'm like, yeah, mobile marketing can do all this cool stuff.

But if that doesn't solve the problem and or they don't know that there's a problem, it's going to be hard to make that a business.

Whereas like, oh, you're stuck doing all this Infusionsoft stuff that you hate doing.

Well, I have someone myself or a team that can do that for you and give you all this time back.

That's solving a problem and a problem that they know they already have.

So...

I think that's really important.

Yeah.

So I'm going to give you two places.

GregHickman.me is my personal site where I kind of talk about this journey.

But I also have a podcast of my own with a co-host, Justin McGill, called Zero to Scale.

And it's two episodes a week where we actually share our journey, taking our businesses from zero to 20K a month.

That's our goal for each of us.

Justin's actually just reached it.

I obviously, as you know, have not.