Greg Jenner

Even his own wife hadn't joined the commune. But Isabella is still team Matthias. It's a bit of a red flag, isn't it, when the wife won't join? But.

Important thing to say here, Michelle, I think, is that after the collapse of the commune, Sojourner Truth emerges as an identity. The woman we, you know, the name of the episode, the woman people have heard of, the person Desiree coloured in at school. How does Isabella Van Wagenen become Sojourner Truth?

Important thing to say here, Michelle, I think, is that after the collapse of the commune, Sojourner Truth emerges as an identity. The woman we, you know, the name of the episode, the woman people have heard of, the person Desiree coloured in at school. How does Isabella Van Wagenen become Sojourner Truth?

Oh, she believes the world's going to end.

Oh, she believes the world's going to end.

Amazing.

Amazing.

One hour.

One hour.

Not going to cut it. She'd gone from Isabella Bumfrey to Isabella Waggonen. She's now Sojourner Truth. And soon she was living in another commune, Desiree.

Not going to cut it. She'd gone from Isabella Bumfrey to Isabella Waggonen. She's now Sojourner Truth. And soon she was living in another commune, Desiree.

He loves a guy in a beard and robes. But this one's less problematic, Michelle. This is the Northampton Association for Education and Industry, which sounds like a kind of local government thing. What is this commune?

He loves a guy in a beard and robes. But this one's less problematic, Michelle. This is the Northampton Association for Education and Industry, which sounds like a kind of local government thing. What is this commune?

And Desiree, this is where she meets another very famous American abolitionist. Do you want to guess who? Can it please be Harriet Tubman?

And Desiree, this is where she meets another very famous American abolitionist. Do you want to guess who? Can it please be Harriet Tubman?

Yeah, well done. Yeah, very good.

Yeah, well done. Yeah, very good.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Harriet was probably busy sort of, you know... It was busy shooting people.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Harriet was probably busy sort of, you know... It was busy shooting people.

Exactly. And Frederick Douglass, we've done an episode on it. Listeners, if you want to check that out, it's a really good one. Douglass is a renowned orator. He's a brilliant speaker and incredibly articulate. You might assume that Douglass and Sojourner Truth get on really well, but There's sort of tension, Michelle.