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Now, I think we have to get to the most important speech that she is said to have given, which is, of course, the entire woman's speech, Michelle. And this is an iconic speech. Does she say that? What do we know about the speech? Can you give us a potted history of it?

Now, I think we have to get to the most important speech that she is said to have given, which is, of course, the entire woman's speech, Michelle. And this is an iconic speech. Does she say that? What do we know about the speech? Can you give us a potted history of it?

We'll talk more about it in the nuance window, I know, Michelle. But the thing that follows the speech soon after is the American Civil War. What did Sojourner Truth do in the Civil War?

We'll talk more about it in the nuance window, I know, Michelle. But the thing that follows the speech soon after is the American Civil War. What did Sojourner Truth do in the Civil War?

She met three presidents in her life, Desiree. She met Abraham Lincoln, but she also met Andrew Johnson and then Ulysses S. Grant as well. So she's, you know, she's moving in high circles. How do you think the meeting went with Abe Lincoln, Desiree? Well, have you ever...

She met three presidents in her life, Desiree. She met Abraham Lincoln, but she also met Andrew Johnson and then Ulysses S. Grant as well. So she's, you know, she's moving in high circles. How do you think the meeting went with Abe Lincoln, Desiree? Well, have you ever...

Michelle, I don't think we know how it went necessarily, but we get a sense perhaps that the person she was with felt that he was rude to her.

Michelle, I don't think we know how it went necessarily, but we get a sense perhaps that the person she was with felt that he was rude to her.

But after the war, was she an important part of the conversations in the rebuilding of America, Michelle? Did Sojourner Truth get her due after the crisis had ended?

But after the war, was she an important part of the conversations in the rebuilding of America, Michelle? Did Sojourner Truth get her due after the crisis had ended?

And so the end of her life, I mean, she's already elderly in her 70s. She lived into her 80s. But at the end of her life, how did her life end?

And so the end of her life, I mean, she's already elderly in her 70s. She lived into her 80s. But at the end of her life, how did her life end?

The Nuance Window! Time now for The Nuance Window. This is where Desiree and I listen in rapturous silence for two minutes while Dr Michelle preaches to us about something we need to know about Sojourner Truth. So my stopwatch is ready. Please take it away, Dr Michelle.

The Nuance Window! Time now for The Nuance Window. This is where Desiree and I listen in rapturous silence for two minutes while Dr Michelle preaches to us about something we need to know about Sojourner Truth. So my stopwatch is ready. Please take it away, Dr Michelle.

Thank you so much, Michelle. Desiree?

Thank you so much, Michelle. Desiree?

That's amazing. Listener, if you want more from Desiree and Michelle, check out our episodes on Harriet Tubman and Josephine Baker, both extraordinary women. And for more abolitionist history, why not listen to our episode on Frederick Douglass? And to you, lovely listener, join me next time as we follow in the footsteps of another forgotten firebrand.

That's amazing. Listener, if you want more from Desiree and Michelle, check out our episodes on Harriet Tubman and Josephine Baker, both extraordinary women. And for more abolitionist history, why not listen to our episode on Frederick Douglass? And to you, lovely listener, join me next time as we follow in the footsteps of another forgotten firebrand.

But for now, I'm off to go and grow my beard, cover myself in gold and convince my neighbours that I am Jesus Christ. Hello! Bye!

But for now, I'm off to go and grow my beard, cover myself in gold and convince my neighbours that I am Jesus Christ. Hello! Bye!