Emperor Nero: ancient Rome’s most infamous ruler

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Greg Jenner 0:30
Hello and welcome to You're Dead to Me, the Radio 4 comedy podcast that takes history seriously. My name is Greg Jenner. I'm a public historian, author and broadcaster. And today we are flouncing back to the first century and fiddling while Rome burns as we learn all about Emperor Nero. And to help us tell apart our Julio Claudians from our Flavians, we have two very special guests in History Corner. She is a renowned classicist, author and broadcaster. Maybe you've read one of her best-selling books, including SBQR, Pompeii, The Life of a Roman Town, Twelve Caesars, Women in Power, or her most recent, Emperor of Rome. You'll know her from all kinds of BBC TV programmes, including Pompeii, New Secrets Revealed, and she's the co-host of the acclaimed Instant Classics podcast.
Greg Jenner 1:08
It's only Professor Mary Beard. Welcome, Mary!
Professor Mary Beard 1:11
Well, it's great to be here and be with both of you and even in the company of the Improneero. We'll see about that.
Greg Jenner 1:18
We'll see how we feel about him later. And in Comedy Corner, he's an Emmy and Grammy award-winning comedian and actor.

What are the origins of Emperor Nero's notorious reputation?

Greg Jenner 1:24
He's appeared in many of my absolute favourite sitcoms, including A.P. Bio, Bojack Horseman, Veep. He starred in films including Ratatouille, Ghostbusters Frozen Empire, and Secret Life of Pets 2. Or you've caught him on the celebrity edition of the American Great British Baking Show. I think it's called. I'm not quite sure of the title, but he's a culinary master. And you'll definitely remember him from our episode on the American War of Independence, making a triumphant return. It's Patton Oswalt. Welcome back, Patton.
Patton Oswalt 1:49
Thank you so much for having me back. I can't wait to talk about Nero. I've seen all the Matrix films. He's one of my favorite movie characters.
Greg Jenner 1:56
Ah, okay.

How did Seneca influence Nero's early life?

Greg Jenner 1:57
Right. Nero. Hang on.
Patton Oswalt 2:01
I don't have a spell check on my phone. That might explain a lot.
Greg Jenner 2:05
Okay. Sorry. That's all right. Last time out, we did the American War of Independence, and you knew quite a lot.
Patton Oswalt 2:09
I actually did.
Greg Jenner 2:10
I mean, you know.
Patton Oswalt 2:11
I was surprised. I didn't know I knew so much.
Greg Jenner 2:13
I wasn't surprised because you're a learned man, but we're now into ancient history, ancient Roman history. How comfortable are you in the ancient Roman world?

What were some of Nero's most infamous actions as emperor?

Patton Oswalt 2:24
Not at all. Literally and figuratively, I'm not comfortable in that world.
Greg Jenner 2:29
Okay. Do you know the name Emperor Nero?
Patton Oswalt 2:31
I know the name Emperor Nero, and for some reason, I just picture him looking like Dom DeLuise, but that's just because of the Mel Brooks film.
Greg Jenner 2:39
Yeah. That's fine. I don't mind that. So, what do you know? Well, that brings us to the first segment of the podcast. This is the So What Do You Know? It's where I have a go at guessing what you, our lovely listener, will know about today's subject. And you might know Emperor Nero as a bit of a naughty emperor. In pop culture, he's in books, he's been in plays, he's been played by a lot of famous actors on screen, from Peter Ustinov in Quo Vadis, Christopher Biggins in I, Claudius, to Craig Roberts as the big baddie in the Horrible Histories kids' movie that I worked on. Eric Banner has even played a version of him, the evil Romulan, Romulan,

How did Nero's personal relationships impact his rule?

Greg Jenner 3:16
Nero in the Star Trek film 2009.
Patton Oswalt 3:19
Wait a minute, was that character supposed to be based on Nero?
Greg Jenner 3:23
He's a Romulan.
Patton Oswalt 3:24
Oh, a Romulan.
Greg Jenner 3:26
I'm going to go. Is my car waiting downstairs? We've lost Patton already. But do Hollywood depictions get it right? What does Nero's roguish reputation tell us about Rome? And why were Romans faking their deaths at the theatre? Were the plays really that bad? Let's find out. Right. Professor Mary, Nero was born nearly 2,000 years ago. So this is a properly old story.

What was the significance of the Great Fire of Rome during Nero's reign?

Greg Jenner 3:49
And the first thing I have to ask is, what are our sources here? Do we have trustworthy sources?
Professor Mary Beard 3:54
Well, there's quite a lot of sources around Nero. So there's loads of poetry we have, which is dedicated to him. There's even a kind of little essay on how to be a good emperor. It was written by his tutor and it was called On Mercy. So perhaps he didn't take the lesson quite hard enough. Where the thinner pickings are found is if you're looking for a standard ancient account of Nero A to Z, right?

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