Greg McKeown

I know that when my wife and I, if we're in an argument, sometimes we'll laugh, maybe we'll laugh afterwards, occasionally in between it, and we're like, we don't even know what we're arguing about anymore.

The meaning has been lost.

And it just goes to show that threshold moment.

If you can reduce noise even a little bit, suddenly everything makes more sense.

Everything works.

And vice versa is also true.

That's really what happened at Microsoft under Satya Nadella.

And I think it's a good...

an optimistic but a helpful case study for what we're going through.

Our culture is also sick.

It is sick for exactly the same reasons.

The patterns are the same.

The disagreements weren't there over politics, but they were over directions of products and how to communicate in meetings.

But the dynamics are the same because the symptoms, there's a hundred symptoms, but the cause is still the same understanding gap between people.

Of course.

For those that don't know him, you just look up his famous, you can do it.

It's one of the first viral memes of the internet is him screaming is the developer's speech.

And you can search that up, Steve Ballmer developer's speech, and you'll see a certain glimpse of a way of operating.

Carry on with your story, please.

That's fascinating story, right?