Greg McKeown

And so this state we're in is a state of nausea.

And it leaves us feeling very reactive, of course, disconnected.

And I suppose the question that, one of the questions that I've been wrestling with is, well, what do you do about it?

And one of the answers that's been most counterintuitive to me is that you don't primarily figure it out.

I'm not now saying there isn't a role for self-reflection.

Of course there is.

But what I think is that the deepest insights we get into ourselves happen in interpersonal dialogue of a certain kind.

And it's so rare.

It was rare even before the information age, it's rare even now in the AI age, and without it,

We really are adrift.

Back to the point that we started on today, this 100-year separation between psychology and psychologists, let's say, is that when you're studying meaning and psychology and connection and understanding from the point of view of the individual mind, yes, you're going to learn things.

But the problem is that mind was not formulated properly.

in separation from others.

We've already identified if there's no connection between you and others, you can physiologically, you can physically die from that lack of connection.

So the mind that's been studied for a hundred years is an incomplete model, very incomplete to think of it this way.

And this is Talia Wheatley is one of the leading researchers in the world on this.

It's called naturalistic methodologies.

And it's like, this is a paradigm shift.

it's so intuitive when you hear it you think well how can it be a paradigm shift but i've tried to already put that into context it's as we learn

to understand others and be understood by others.