Gregg Braden

Well, that's what it seems like.

And it's not just my opinion.

I think the evidence supports that because why would we want –

To push this planet back.

I mean, NASA says we're greener now than we have been in 20 years.

Why would we want to push this planet back to the environment of the Pleistocene era?

These are unelected officials.

Especially if we're moving in the cooler anyway.

But all of this – I mean, so now we've identified these things.

I think it's useless to be angry.

I think what we do is we recognize, Joe, that all of these applications of technology –

are a reflection of the way we've been conditioned to think about ourselves.

When we wake up to become the best version of ourselves, then we recognize it makes sense to go clean and green.

It makes sense to grow our food differently.

It makes sense to have different kinds of energy.

I've been there.

I've seen that.

It is possible.

So everything we're talking about is a consequence of what happens when we give our humanness away and we believe that we are a flawed species and that we need something outside of ourselves to be the best version of ourselves or that we believe we're powerless so we say to someone else, fix it and make it better.

Right.