Gus Ducker

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124 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Apr 2026 last heard 2 Apr

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Future of Life Institute Podcast · Defense in Depth: Layered Strategies Against AI Risk (with Li-Lian Ang) · 2 Apr 2026 podcast

Because the automated firms will be able to, if the AI CEO is just more competent and just can act faster because the human CEO becomes the bottleneck, well then,

the economy will probably end up with more automated firms versus firms with human CEOs.

And on the first solution, I guess this is just sort of the problem of loading our values into the AI.

It's just a classic problem in AI where we need to solve the technical aspect of the alignment problem, but then we also need to decide which values we need to...

have the AI sort of act upon.

And so, of course, you know that there are problems with both of these approaches, but where are you most hopeful and do you see a path forward here?

yes um so one underlying concern here is the is the issue of just the pace of change in ai so many of the many of the of these risks we've we've been discussing here in some sense this is already happening right uh anthropic is already encoding values into claude via their uh constitutional approach uh we if we are so ai is already quite capable in cyber and in bio and

there's arguably already some power concentration and disempowerment happening.

So what's the role of an organization like Blue Dot here, where you're not inside of any of the AI corporations?

What can be done from the outside?

Yeah.

That's, that's interesting.

There's an argument to be made that right now you have a lot of influence if you're a researcher at one of the frontier AI corporations.

And perhaps if they succeed in automating AI research fairly soon, then your influence is going to disappear.

And so maybe you are right now

If you're able to influence the companies from the inside, you have sort of peak influence right now.

This will be reflected in their salaries and in the fact that you see the companies doing a lot to attract talent and being very careful about how they navigate sort of scandals in order to not lose talent and so on.

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