Gus Van Sant

Yeah, and Lorne Michaels worked for Ken as a screenwriter when he was pitching Saturday Night Live.

And comedy did tend to have lots of different things, like spoofs and...

In his case, he had the news and he had musical numbers and things like that.

Yeah.

No, I thought I would write for him maybe, but I just became a production assistant and he had a lot of comedians come in.

He had a Paramount deal and when Lorne Michaels went from LA, Lorne Michaels was writing one of the scripts called Ma Bell, which is about the phone

phone freaks that were like cracking into the phone system and like calling the White House.

You could do that then?

Yeah, you could do funny tricks with the phone.

And the guy they were writing about was

was hacking into the phone system headquarters and having them send him trucks and telephone poles and computer chips that he would sell to the rival phone companies.

Yeah, or chips of whatever kinds of boards they had.

Telegram chips.

the uh circuit boards and um western electric for big money and uh he so he was a millionaire at 16. as a phone so they were writing that script which never was filmed um and lauren michaels got an okay to to do one at least one saturday night

that they were traveling and setting up Saturday Night Live, and he offered Ken to come with them to do it.

And Ken had worked in New York

TV since he was a child, since he was 10.

He was on the... And he turned this down?

He turned it down.

As a 10-year-old, he was on the Milton Berle show.