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Gwern Branwen

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

There, they're actually training agents.

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Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

Instead, we train them on these internet scrapes

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

which merely encode the outputs of agents or occasional descriptions of agents doing things, that kind of thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

There's no actual like logging of state environments, result reward trip sequences, like a proper kind of reinforcement learning setup would have.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

I would say that what's more interesting actually is that nobody wants to train agents in a proper reinforcement learning way today.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

Instead, everyone wants to train LLMs and then do everything with as little RL as possible on the backend.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

I think if the internet didn't exist, I would have...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

tried to probably make it in regular academia and maybe narrow my interests a lot more, something I could publish on regularly.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

Or I could possibly have tried to opt out, you know, and become a librarian, like one of my favorite writers, Jorge Luis Borges.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

He was a librarian until he succeeded as a writer.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

Of course, I've always agreed with him about imagining Paradise as a kind of library.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

I regret that all the reading I do is now kind of on the computer and I don't get to spend as much time in libraries, physical libraries.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

I genuinely love them, just like pouring through the stacks, looking for random stuff.

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Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

Some of the best times for me when I was in university were always like going through these gigantic stacks of all sorts of obscure books and just looking at like a random spine, you know, pulling stuff off the shelf and reading obscure old technical journals to see all the strange and wonderful things that they were doing and documenting back then, which now have just been totally forgotten.

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Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

He's a real hero of mine, so this isn't something I want to have a bad answer to.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

Can I ask why he's a hero of yours?

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Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

When I was younger, one of the science fiction books that really impressed me was Dan Simmons' Hyperion, and especially the fall of Hyperion.

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Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

In there, he alludes to Kevin Kelly's Out of Control book, which strongly features the parable of the Library of Babel.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

From there, I got the kind of collected editions of Borges' fiction and nonfiction, and I just read through them again and again.

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Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

I was blown away by the fact that you could be so creative with all of this polymathic knowledge that he had in erudition and write these wonderful, entertaining, provocative short stories and essays.