Hal Puthoff

That was a breach of security, but a president can— They're allowed to do that? They're allowed to do that.

So, by then- TU-22 bomber, I think it was.

So, by then- TU-22 bomber, I think it was.

So, by then- TU-22 bomber, I think it was.

Well, we pretty much handle the skeptical problem. And let me give you an example. I mean, as we're churning out these results, as you can imagine, anybody who didn't have direct knowledge of this would be skeptical, and rightly so, by the way. I mean, I was skeptical every inch along the way as we plowed our way into this stuff. So one day, a guy shows up from CIA and says, OK,

Well, we pretty much handle the skeptical problem. And let me give you an example. I mean, as we're churning out these results, as you can imagine, anybody who didn't have direct knowledge of this would be skeptical, and rightly so, by the way. I mean, I was skeptical every inch along the way as we plowed our way into this stuff. So one day, a guy shows up from CIA and says, OK,

Well, we pretty much handle the skeptical problem. And let me give you an example. I mean, as we're churning out these results, as you can imagine, anybody who didn't have direct knowledge of this would be skeptical, and rightly so, by the way. I mean, I was skeptical every inch along the way as we plowed our way into this stuff. So one day, a guy shows up from CIA and says, OK,

I'm here to find out what the fraud is. I'm sure this is absolute nonsense. So he said, okay, fine. So show me one of your experiments. So we put him in the lab with an interviewer and a remote viewer. And in this case, I'm sent out someplace for 30 minutes. And it turns out that the remote viewer described it really well. And he said, well... You probably told them where you're going to go.

I'm here to find out what the fraud is. I'm sure this is absolute nonsense. So he said, okay, fine. So show me one of your experiments. So we put him in the lab with an interviewer and a remote viewer. And in this case, I'm sent out someplace for 30 minutes. And it turns out that the remote viewer described it really well. And he said, well... You probably told them where you're going to go.

I'm here to find out what the fraud is. I'm sure this is absolute nonsense. So he said, okay, fine. So show me one of your experiments. So we put him in the lab with an interviewer and a remote viewer. And in this case, I'm sent out someplace for 30 minutes. And it turns out that the remote viewer described it really well. And he said, well... You probably told them where you're going to go.

Let's do another experiment and I'm going to go and we'll go in my car because you might have had a transmitter in your car transmitting where you're going. So I'm going to pick the site. So we do another experiment, get a great result. So finally he says, well, I got to figure out what's wrong with this. So my colleague, Russell Targ, and I sat down.

Let's do another experiment and I'm going to go and we'll go in my car because you might have had a transmitter in your car transmitting where you're going. So I'm going to pick the site. So we do another experiment, get a great result. So finally he says, well, I got to figure out what's wrong with this. So my colleague, Russell Targ, and I sat down.

Let's do another experiment and I'm going to go and we'll go in my car because you might have had a transmitter in your car transmitting where you're going. So I'm going to pick the site. So we do another experiment, get a great result. So finally he says, well, I got to figure out what's wrong with this. So my colleague, Russell Targ, and I sat down.

This guy's a hard case, but we got the bell curve. Who knows? Maybe somewhere in the middle of the bell curve. So he comes in the next day, and we say, okay, today you're going to be the remote viewer. And he said, give me a break. I don't believe in this BS. He said much more strongly than that, actually. And I said, no, no, okay, well, just try it.

This guy's a hard case, but we got the bell curve. Who knows? Maybe somewhere in the middle of the bell curve. So he comes in the next day, and we say, okay, today you're going to be the remote viewer. And he said, give me a break. I don't believe in this BS. He said much more strongly than that, actually. And I said, no, no, okay, well, just try it.

This guy's a hard case, but we got the bell curve. Who knows? Maybe somewhere in the middle of the bell curve. So he comes in the next day, and we say, okay, today you're going to be the remote viewer. And he said, give me a break. I don't believe in this BS. He said much more strongly than that, actually. And I said, no, no, okay, well, just try it.

You'll see we're not stressing him out and whatever, whatever, whatever. And he says, okay. And... When you go to your place, I want you to take pictures and do a recording. And when you come back, show me your stuff before I show you mine. Okay, fine. Well, it turned out we went to a playground with a merry-go-round.

You'll see we're not stressing him out and whatever, whatever, whatever. And he says, okay. And... When you go to your place, I want you to take pictures and do a recording. And when you come back, show me your stuff before I show you mine. Okay, fine. Well, it turned out we went to a playground with a merry-go-round.

You'll see we're not stressing him out and whatever, whatever, whatever. And he says, okay. And... When you go to your place, I want you to take pictures and do a recording. And when you come back, show me your stuff before I show you mine. Okay, fine. Well, it turned out we went to a playground with a merry-go-round.

Meanwhile, back in the lab, he's drawing a picture of a playground with a merry-go-round. And he sees the results and he says, okay. You've convinced me. So it was that kind of thing that would push him over. Yeah, there's an example. Now, he misinterpreted what it was. He thought maybe it was a cupola or whatever. But anyway, that's his drawing on the right and that's where we were on the left.