Hal Puthoff
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first heard May 2025
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Well, it turns out that the machinery to generate the signals would be very explicitly designed antenna structures that are put together in such a way as to prevent electromagnetic components from being transmitted. It's the detection part where the secret to the technology is because it turns out that, if electromagnetic signals aren't there, how are you going to detect such a signal?
Because all of our detectors are, you know, electromagnetic signal comes in and generates a current and whatever. Well, it turns out that the special kinds of signaling at the quantum level can only be detected by quantum devices. Quantum devices can detect signals these quantum communication signals, even if there's no electric and magnetic effects associated with them.
So that's what we're looking at. And so when I think about, okay, well, you know, what areas does this have application for? Well, of course, it's got a lot of application for things like communication and under conditions where you'd like to overcome shielding. But it may have something to do even with some of the consciousness stuff.
Because ordinarily, you know, when you hear about people trying to think, well, what about consciousness? Is it still just all molecules and neurons whirling around or are there some additional fields? There are a couple of physicists, well, a physicist and an anesthesiologist, the physicist Roger Penrose, he got a Nobel Prize for her general relativity stuff, and Stu Hameroff,
who is an anesthesiologist, they coupled up and started saying, okay, is there a possibility that there are quantum aspects in ordinary life, in ordinary consciousness? Because it sounds kind of reasonable. The anesthesiologist says, well, when I give somebody a certain anesthetic, they lose consciousness.
So there must be something about the anesthesia that grabs onto whatever's responsible for consciousness. So to make a long story short, they came up with a model where they felt that there are in fact quantum processes occurring within the brain that in addition to the stuff we all read about and know about, like neurons and all that kind of stuff,
there's also a distribution throughout our brain and nervous system of what's called microtubules. It turns out microtubules have such a structure you do experiments in lab to show this, that they can detect quantum signals. So the idea that even in our consciousness there are mechanisms for detecting quantum signals is like a whole new area to investigate.
And so there are some biological and consciousness-oriented experimenters that are taking a look at this idea that, okay, Instead of just saying quantum entanglement, that's how information you get from here to there, maybe we can actually find out, okay, well, what's the mechanism, though? And so this is a whole new area. It turns out that...
I developed proof of principle for this sub-rosa quantum communication stuff on a classified contract back in the 90s, actually. So I got proof of principle in that situation. However, you say, okay, well, if you got proof of principle, then why aren't we using it? Why isn't it all over the place? Well, it turned out the quantum detectors were
very, you know, new kinds of circuitry and nothing ready for prime time. So I put that whole thing on the shelf, let it sit there for a while. And now because of quantum computing, it turns out a lot of research effort is going to develop cryogenic circuitry near absolute zero to be used in quantum computing.
So I said, okay, they got these Josen junctions working, which is exactly what I want to use for my detection scheme. And so I finally decided to take it off the shelf. So I approached JP and showed him what the potential was. not only in just communications, but maybe it has implications for, you know, biological things or medical things or whatever because of this other work on microtubules.
So he said, okay, well, let's go for it. So we have another major lab that is actually putting together circuitry for us that operates about... 3.7 degrees above absolute zero. I mean, this is really quite a technical challenge. But he and I are working on that together. He's my collaborator.
That's the only thing I can imagine at this point based on the physics we know. How far were they separated in distance? Well, I was going to separate it. It was about five miles. As it turns out, I never actually got to do that experiment because the CIA came and scooped me up and said, well, we got to look at this remote viewing. And so even though I proposed doing the experiment,
The polygraph guy said this would be a great experiment. Never got around to doing the experiment because along the way, Ingo Swann visited his lab, came out and perturbed the... tiny quantum chip in the super shielded environment, that brought the CIA on my doorstep, and so then we went off in that direction. So I never got to do the experiment.
Yes, exactly. And in fact, we're not alone in thinking that way. As you may, as many in the field are aware of, in 2023, Then Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Republican Senator Rounds got together and they put together an outline of an amendment to be attached to the National Defense Authorization Act called UAP Disclosure Act 2023. And it's pages and pages long.
And it's hard to believe, but within this document, they outline how you would go through disclosure. And it's very detailed. I mean, for example, this is an official government document. You can go find it on the internet. non-human intelligence phrase is mentioned more than 20 times.
And the document said, look, what we need is a presidential panel
President say officiated panel of people from several different areas Who and and all those people out there who have materials and so on we're going to practice eminent domain Which just turns out to be one of the things that turns people's hair on fire when they think they've got something and don't want to share it but anyway that we have to come up with a process whereby a
corporations have been involved in this can begin to share their history and their data and their materials and the National Archives will be set up to make this information available as is safe to do considering security concerns. And so this is a multi-page document You can find it on the Internet. Okay. It passed the Senate, but the House killed it.
So you might think, okay, well, that's the end of that. Surprisingly so, and it makes you realize the intensity of this, after it was killed, both Schumer and Rounds got back up in the Senate floor and said, okay, it got killed, but we're not giving up. We're going to get it in there next year. And so the following year, 2024, they included it again. And Most of it got killed.
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