Hal Puthoff
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374 appearances
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first heard May 2025
last heard May 2025
Hal Puthoff’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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So the outcome of that exercise was, if you're thinking about disclosure, forget it.
Didn't know what they had. This was just – they were saying – This could be hypothetical or he could be trying to tell us something, but he wouldn't say. Interesting.
It was two or three days. I don't recall right now.
Well, you know, it was just a gut response, basically. You remote viewed it? No, I didn't do that. Did you? By the way, in the remote viewing program, one of the things they told us, look, you guys that are running this program, don't you ever think about remote viewing yourself.
We learned in the LSD days that if the experimenters get involved in the subject they're researching, they lose their objectivity. And don't think you can sneak away and get away with it because we'll get you on the polygraph. So no, never did.
That's what they said. So anyway, back to this. So we came up with our numbers and said, you know, this does not look like a good idea. So at that time, that was the viewpoint. Now, as we'll get into, at this point, I have a different viewpoint. I think there should be more disclosure than is apparent in the culture.
Even government people. In fact, I have a great example of that, and that is Edward Teller, father of the H-bomb, involved in the Manhattan Project. You'd think if anybody wanted to keep secrets about national security, it would be him. One of the strongest statements he made, which actually was kind of a driver in my shifting my viewpoint about, well, should we come out with this or not?
He said, you know, In exploring nuclear energy, we had the Manhattan Project, highly classified, but nonetheless, we and the Russians kind of marched along step by step. But in electronics, we didn't classify electronics, you know, circuit boards and all that kind of stuff. And we took off like a rocket and left Russia in the dust.
So his viewpoint was that having more openness, even in national security areas, is a better bet. And so that made me think, even though I've been part of, as it turns out, decades long highly classified, not for the street, UAP investigations, that sort of affected my thinking about it, and I became more open to the idea that we should do that.
But the way I got actually more officially involved was that, as it turns out, in 2008, I think it was, Harry Reid, who was at the time Senate Majority Leader, Daniel Inouye from Hawaii, Ted Stevens from Alaska. They're part of the Gang of Eight, so-called, so they get better briefings than most people on what's going on beyond the scenes. So at that point you might think,
Well, UFO stuff, I mean, that's all dead. Let me give you a little background first. And that is, you know, back in the 50s and 60s, we had Project Sign, Project Grudge, Project Blue Book. And then they had the Condon Committee at University of Colorado examine the area and say, he came out with this thing saying, but there's nothing here. It's not worth the Air Force spending any time on it.
Actually, the Condon Report, if you read it, There's a deep report showing all kinds of reasons why this is real. And then there's the foreword, which most media read, in which he said, oh, nothing here. Don't worry about it. So after 1969, which is when that report came out, if you called – Air Force Public Affairs Office said, well, what's going on with UFOs?
Oh, no, no, we give up all that stuff back in 1969. The truth of the matter is that the very memo that canceled Blue Book by General Bollander had down the fine print, but anything that might affect national security, we should keep track of. So now we come up to 2017. These senators who knew that there was still stuff going on decided there should be a new program.
And so they asked the top physicists at DIA, Jim Lukatsky, who was one of the top physicists on propulsion and rocketry and so on, to put out a request for a proposal. And so that went out. And so actually Robert Bigelow picked it up. And he said, okay, we'll do this. And so he then got the program. And since I had been involved with Bigelow, he asked me to be part of the program.
So that's when I got, you might say, officially involved in really digging into the issue.
what maybe they do have something the crash roswell site maybe something else did you know more from other talking to other people had you heard whispers like what did you know what i knew was not much i mean yeah i heard whispers uh but i didn't get you know really involved in and thinking about it i mean you know a good physicist realizes this is tinfoil hat conspiracy stuff you know
I already got that problem. But when they came up with the idea we should do another deeper dive into this. And by that time, I was, you know, I mean, as a physicist, I mean, through the years, I mean, I was a Star Trek fan and, you know, Star Trek fan and all that kind of stuff. And as a physicist, I would hear about these UFO sightings and so on.
So I always wondered about, you know, how can this – you know, could somebody really have any kind of propulsion that would look like that? So anyway, so when this program got set up, it turned out my particular assignment was, okay, let's look at all the physics and engineering that might be behind this stuff And by the way, we will arrange for you to get access to some materials. Okay, fine.
So that was my tasking. And so I said, okay. So I can't get into a lot of detail, but I did do a lot of back and forth with some aerospace executives about getting access in case they had any materials and that kind of stuff. It was very... So they finally said, no, if that were the case, it would be too compartmentalized. We can't share this.
Even though you have an official program, you've got top secret, SCI, gamma, HCS, you've got all these clearances. But... If we had materials, they'd be too highly classified. We couldn't share them. So a lot of negotiation went on. I spent a lot of time with the vice president.
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