Hallie Rubenhold

And I just hope that story of a murder is a corrective to that.

Did that ever arrive with Crippen?

Well, in fact, it really boiled my blood.

I think it was 2007, 2008, there was this documentary.

Well, it was started by a man who is a toxicologist in the United States, in Michigan, interestingly, which is where Crippen is from, who never, ever believed that

that Crippen could have killed Bell.

Well, of course you never believe that, because if you read all the literature, if you read everything that's been written, if you read Alexander Bell, Filson Young, and the fact that Bell was a terrible monster and Crippen was this poor little put-upon man, and everything built on the back of that, of course you're going to believe that he couldn't have possibly done this.

If you read enough of that stuff,

without actually going into the National Archives and reading the boxes of trial information and the witness statements and the evidence that was collected that wasn't even used in the trial.

That points to his guilt.

You're going to believe that.

And so

He somehow managed to convince a friend of his who did DNA testing at the University of Michigan to get hold of a slide that was used in the trial, which was a piece of Bell's skin that was recovered from the cellar with a scar on it and get a DNA test of that.

Well, that's quite frankly preposterous because everybody has breathed on it.

They threw bleach on the remains.

They degraded the remains.

And so this was just like a circus sideshow.

And lo and behold, they found that the DNA reading was that it was a male body in the basement and it had no connection whatsoever in terms of its genetic coding to Bill Elmore's family.

Everybody, if you look at the case against him is overwhelming.

If you look at the evidence to play some sort of trick using science to pretend that you know that you can get the answer from science and science produces truth.