Hamish Macdonald

I don't know.

But I just think the most helpful thing we can do is remember that we all do still at this point anyway, until the robots totally take over, we do all have agencies.

Do you feel from that that you have any concept of the kind of totality of it?

In a way that you can articulate.

Like when I, like I read, uh, Nexus by Yuval Noah Harari, who wrote, uh, Sapiens and then Homo Deus and Nexus is the latest one.

And he sort of tries to explore what the future holds for humanity and that the kind of leap into AI is like this kind of seismic inflection point for us as a species.

Um,

And he does a brilliant job of explaining it and, you know, he's an incredibly gifted communicator, but I don't, I still don't feel I can fully conceive of what AI means for us as humans.

If I'm, if I'm honest.

I mean, they're lovely, but they're not the smartest.

Look, I'm genuinely not sure if we've already passed the point where we can try and keep a hold on it.

Like it's possible, I think, that it's already moved beyond our grasp.

Yeah.

If you think about...

what it was like for Australia just as one country to try and regulate social media for under 16s and what, how challenging that was to take on just a selection of companies and just deal with one particular age group where there was a pretty strong, clear moral argument for doing it.

Think about like the pushback that came and how difficult that was.

I think that's nothing in comparison to what it would be like to try and genuinely place some regulation or frameworks around AI.

It sounds like it's not possible.

It's just not going to happen.

Well, like the Australian government had a crack at it at the end of last year and they were criticised for really going quite light touch on it.