Hannah Barnes

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509 appearances 22 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2011 last heard Oct 2013

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Back in 2011, we looked at his claim that 50 million people would become climate refugees by 2010. voice-verified
It had been quoted by some influential institutions. voice-verified
But one year on, there was scant evidence that these people existed. voice-verified
The UN had a map showing this prediction on the website, but hastily took it down, we discovered... voice-verified
when it started to get attention. voice-verified
Initially, there was no explanation as to why it had disappeared. voice-verified
Just a totally bizarre message came up when you went to click on the link. voice-verified
Well, eventually the fog lifted and a spokesman for the United Nations Environment Programme told me the map had been removed because it was wrong. voice-verified
They had, and this work had been unquestioningly adopted by all sorts of eminent bodies, like the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. voice-verified
But some academics had doubted his numbers from the start. voice-verified
Stephen Castles from the International Migration Institute at Oxford University outlined some of his concerns to me at the time. voice-verified
Yes, it's his projection for the number of climate refugees there'll be by 2050. voice-verified
Yes, and he defended his methods to us at the time. voice-verified
But if you can't prove that there are, then we shouldn't be making the statement, should we? voice-verified
We can't prove it. voice-verified
Well, to be fair to Norman Myers, he did make it clear in his research that not everyone he classes as an environmental refugee will flee their country. voice-verified
He just said that they'll be forced to move, and that could well be internally. voice-verified
But that's tens of thousands, not tens of millions. voice-verified
I am, I am. voice-verified
It's just a bit quiet on the COD news front at the moment. voice-verified
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