Hannah Nitz

Both Christians.

Both authors, teachers, something.

I see that in your face as you're talking about it.

Yeah.

Wow, that was a good opening, Julie.

It was a little deep, but it's honest, it's powerful, and it's, man, I mean, so at the beginning you were saying, this is the water I swim in.

Essentially, the visual picture I had as you were talking about that is if all of us are kind of swimming in the same pond, kind of what you see happening is like a group of fish swimming

go into one corner and building their own little gate.

And are like, we agree on Jesus.

We agree on these other things.

But if you talk about sexuality and you include this when you're saying LGBT...

Yeah.

You can't come in.

I can't learn from you.

I can't endorse anything you're doing.

Is that it?

Like there's these firm lines that you see or also just like this combativeness towards each other.

So I guess I would argue, though, that this doesn't feel new.

This feels like this has always been happening.

I mean, if we think about in denominations, isn't this kind of what happened with the church?