Hannah Nitz

And then what you're saying is the people who say never or always are then completely writing off the people who would give the opposite answer.

okay so a couple of things i have so many thoughts on this okay one i think one of the cool things for me knowing you you know my whole life yeah is this is something that i've always seen you model well behind the scenes where people wouldn't see and know and in public spaces um

And I've watched you do this.

Like, even when you receive emails from listeners who completely disagreed with something you said, I've been shocked at how many times you take that personal email and write them not apologizing, but.

Not like, oh, I'm so sorry I offended you.

Or not completely writing them off.

Like, well, let me double down on what I said.

But on you asking them questions.

And that has taught me so much.

I've shared the story before.

I remember probably 10 years ago, you and I were discussing something about voting.

And I had an opinion on something different than yours.

And I was afraid to say it out loud because of my experience of...

Anytime I verge from anything that felt like a very traditional evangelical answer, you know, and you looked at me, we were sitting on your back porch and you said, can you tell me more on why you think that?

And I was like, uh, what?

Because I was just ready for you to like come with why I shouldn't think that or feel that way.

So I've watched you do that behind the scenes again.

I've seen you do that with me with issues that you and I over the years have not seen eye to eye on.

to our average listener who is listening to this conversation and being like, man, I may not be, you know, someone of this like authority or following that's telling people, you know, don't listen to them.

Don't do this.