Hany Farid

And the other thing with regulation is that it moves spectacularly slowly with lobbying efforts from now trillion-dollar companies watering everything down in their favor.

So I'm not optimistic.

I think if you are looking for external relief, it has to come from litigation, not regulation.

That is, you have to start holding companies responsible for the harms that they do.

Why are the products that we have in our pockets relatively safe?

Because we told these companies that if you create a product that either you knew or should have known would be harmful, I'm going to sue you back to the dark ages.

And we got product safety.

Yeah.

It was good.

It happened with cigarettes.

It happened with a lot of products.

And so the physical product, the foods, the food we eat is relatively safe, right?

The airlines, everything is relatively safe.

But somehow in the digital world, we thought, nah, it's the internet.

Yeah.

But it's not the internet.

There is no more online world.

Yeah.

And this is the thing is we have to start holding these companies responsible for the harms that they do.

And when that happens, they internalize that.