Harvey Guillén
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Ron's also a schmoozer who relies on appearances, a bit of a scammer, and when it comes down to the brass tacks, he's ruthless and cutthroat.
So Joe and Ron have this strange push and pull for a while before Ron finally agrees to do business with Joe.
in June 1983.
But by the end of the year, their relationship already goes south.
Essentially what happens is Ron promises Joe money at a time when Joe is desperate.
He has a cash flow problem and needs collateral for loans.
But Joe later learns that due to Ron's own fraudulent activity, the money Ron promised him doesn't actually exist.
which makes Joe look like a fool and turns Ron into public enemy number one.
Pretty soon, Dean and other members overhear Joe making some really inflammatory comments, like how he's going to kill Ron.
You know, those kind of things.
And that makes some members nervous.
Some start to see the writing on the wall and decide to leave the club.
But people leaving only makes Joe's leadership even more cult-like.
Anyone he's close with, he draws closer.
You're either all in or you're all out.
It's like that meme with that dog.
Even though everything's on fire, Joe's sitting there saying, it's fine.
It's not.
In fact, he raises expectations.
He sets higher goals.