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Harvey Mason Jr.

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435 total appearances

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

We take the chaos and the uncertainty in life and the stuff that AI hates, and we make incredible art from it. And we are able to dig down deep into some of our most creative spaces and pull out the next amazing thing and make great art that I don't think any computer is going to match our head.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

We take the chaos and the uncertainty in life and the stuff that AI hates, and we make incredible art from it. And we are able to dig down deep into some of our most creative spaces and pull out the next amazing thing and make great art that I don't think any computer is going to match our head.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

We take the chaos and the uncertainty in life and the stuff that AI hates, and we make incredible art from it. And we are able to dig down deep into some of our most creative spaces and pull out the next amazing thing and make great art that I don't think any computer is going to match our head.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

As much as we're nervous and we worry about it, I don't think you can tell me that AI can create songs in the key of life or Nevermind or Illmatic. I don't see it happening. So I want to make sure we're able to use AI and I'm not an AI hater. I think it's got great potential. I've been using it for eight or nine years in different forms. I've always been an early adopter to new tech.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

As much as we're nervous and we worry about it, I don't think you can tell me that AI can create songs in the key of life or Nevermind or Illmatic. I don't see it happening. So I want to make sure we're able to use AI and I'm not an AI hater. I think it's got great potential. I've been using it for eight or nine years in different forms. I've always been an early adopter to new tech.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

As much as we're nervous and we worry about it, I don't think you can tell me that AI can create songs in the key of life or Nevermind or Illmatic. I don't see it happening. So I want to make sure we're able to use AI and I'm not an AI hater. I think it's got great potential. I've been using it for eight or nine years in different forms. I've always been an early adopter to new tech.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

So I'm with it. I get it. But we have to make sure human creativity is protected. And we have a chance to make sure we're remunerated properly. We have proper approvals and make sure it's credited properly. Those are the things that are really important to me.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

So I'm with it. I get it. But we have to make sure human creativity is protected. And we have a chance to make sure we're remunerated properly. We have proper approvals and make sure it's credited properly. Those are the things that are really important to me.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

So I'm with it. I get it. But we have to make sure human creativity is protected. And we have a chance to make sure we're remunerated properly. We have proper approvals and make sure it's credited properly. Those are the things that are really important to me.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

Same way that we let music that have samples be eligible or we let music that has synthesizers or auto-tune or pro tools be eligible. It's a technology, an evolution that has allowed people to do more, create differently, think differently, make sounds we've never heard before.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

Same way that we let music that have samples be eligible or we let music that has synthesizers or auto-tune or pro tools be eligible. It's a technology, an evolution that has allowed people to do more, create differently, think differently, make sounds we've never heard before.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

Same way that we let music that have samples be eligible or we let music that has synthesizers or auto-tune or pro tools be eligible. It's a technology, an evolution that has allowed people to do more, create differently, think differently, make sounds we've never heard before.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

So for us to draw a line in the sand and say, if you used artificial intelligence, you are ineligible, would be, I think, short-sighted. And I think it would also cut down on a lot of the music that's being created and submitted. Also, where would you draw the line?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

So for us to draw a line in the sand and say, if you used artificial intelligence, you are ineligible, would be, I think, short-sighted. And I think it would also cut down on a lot of the music that's being created and submitted. Also, where would you draw the line?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

So for us to draw a line in the sand and say, if you used artificial intelligence, you are ineligible, would be, I think, short-sighted. And I think it would also cut down on a lot of the music that's being created and submitted. Also, where would you draw the line?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

I mean, there's AI and so much of the software we use now for even analyzing and doing mixes and sound design, not even just the generative AI that's making music, but The finer point is that we'll allow AI to be utilized, but we're not going to honor AI in the sense that if AI is performing a song, it's in our rules. We will not give the performance an award.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

I mean, there's AI and so much of the software we use now for even analyzing and doing mixes and sound design, not even just the generative AI that's making music, but The finer point is that we'll allow AI to be utilized, but we're not going to honor AI in the sense that if AI is performing a song, it's in our rules. We will not give the performance an award.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

I mean, there's AI and so much of the software we use now for even analyzing and doing mixes and sound design, not even just the generative AI that's making music, but The finer point is that we'll allow AI to be utilized, but we're not going to honor AI in the sense that if AI is performing a song, it's in our rules. We will not give the performance an award.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

If AI is writing the song, we will not give an award for the songwriting component. For example, if you wrote a song, it was a beautiful composition, it was the best lyrics, best music, best chord progressions, and you had AI sing it, you could submit it. It's not going to win for singing. It could win for songwriting.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

If AI is writing the song, we will not give an award for the songwriting component. For example, if you wrote a song, it was a beautiful composition, it was the best lyrics, best music, best chord progressions, and you had AI sing it, you could submit it. It's not going to win for singing. It could win for songwriting.