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Harvey Mason Jr.

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

If AI is writing the song, we will not give an award for the songwriting component. For example, if you wrote a song, it was a beautiful composition, it was the best lyrics, best music, best chord progressions, and you had AI sing it, you could submit it. It's not going to win for singing. It could win for songwriting.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

Conversely, if you had AI just write a song as a great song, but some vocalists sang it or rapped on it and they performed the heck out of it, I'm not going to penalize the human creativity that went into that. I'm not going to give it an award for the songwriting, but I will give it an award for the performance. That's the way our rules are currently. I'm sure it's going to change.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

Conversely, if you had AI just write a song as a great song, but some vocalists sang it or rapped on it and they performed the heck out of it, I'm not going to penalize the human creativity that went into that. I'm not going to give it an award for the songwriting, but I will give it an award for the performance. That's the way our rules are currently. I'm sure it's going to change.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

Conversely, if you had AI just write a song as a great song, but some vocalists sang it or rapped on it and they performed the heck out of it, I'm not going to penalize the human creativity that went into that. I'm not going to give it an award for the songwriting, but I will give it an award for the performance. That's the way our rules are currently. I'm sure it's going to change.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

This stuff is moving so quickly. But for now, that's how the academy is moving.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

This stuff is moving so quickly. But for now, that's how the academy is moving.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

This stuff is moving so quickly. But for now, that's how the academy is moving.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

I believe there needs to be an understanding of what these models are training on. And I'm not sure exactly to what level it will come down, whether there's compensation payment or crediting. But I do think something has to change. And I don't believe that people's personally copywritten material should just be used or accessed by everyone to do anything they want with.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

I believe there needs to be an understanding of what these models are training on. And I'm not sure exactly to what level it will come down, whether there's compensation payment or crediting. But I do think something has to change. And I don't believe that people's personally copywritten material should just be used or accessed by everyone to do anything they want with.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

I believe there needs to be an understanding of what these models are training on. And I'm not sure exactly to what level it will come down, whether there's compensation payment or crediting. But I do think something has to change. And I don't believe that people's personally copywritten material should just be used or accessed by everyone to do anything they want with.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

So we have to come to a bottom line and understand there's fairly trained models out there, people that are licensing groups of music or catalogs to train AI on, and I think that's a good place to start. But there's a lot to talk about. That's probably a whole other show that we could dive a little deeper into.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

So we have to come to a bottom line and understand there's fairly trained models out there, people that are licensing groups of music or catalogs to train AI on, and I think that's a good place to start. But there's a lot to talk about. That's probably a whole other show that we could dive a little deeper into.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

So we have to come to a bottom line and understand there's fairly trained models out there, people that are licensing groups of music or catalogs to train AI on, and I think that's a good place to start. But there's a lot to talk about. That's probably a whole other show that we could dive a little deeper into.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

You know, it's a complicated subject. So I think there's some real talks that need to happen around that. Should it be compensated on the training side? At least we need to know what it's training on, how much of it's being used. So there's a lot of nuance to that question.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

You know, it's a complicated subject. So I think there's some real talks that need to happen around that. Should it be compensated on the training side? At least we need to know what it's training on, how much of it's being used. So there's a lot of nuance to that question.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

You know, it's a complicated subject. So I think there's some real talks that need to happen around that. Should it be compensated on the training side? At least we need to know what it's training on, how much of it's being used. So there's a lot of nuance to that question.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

There's no perfect solution or magic bullet to any of this stuff, especially the speed at which it's moving. We are really proud of the legislation that's been introduced and passed in a couple of different states, but now we're pushing for federal legislation with the No Fakes, No Frauds Act in the House and the Senate.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

There's no perfect solution or magic bullet to any of this stuff, especially the speed at which it's moving. We are really proud of the legislation that's been introduced and passed in a couple of different states, but now we're pushing for federal legislation with the No Fakes, No Frauds Act in the House and the Senate.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

There's no perfect solution or magic bullet to any of this stuff, especially the speed at which it's moving. We are really proud of the legislation that's been introduced and passed in a couple of different states, but now we're pushing for federal legislation with the No Fakes, No Frauds Act in the House and the Senate.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr.

That's not the intention. That's not our desire.