Harvey Silverglate

Which is why I think he...

why I think he managed to pull it off.

Okay.

I believe that the FBI should be abolished.

because I believe that its culture was so corrupted by its first director, John Edgar Hoover, J. Edgar Hoover, that it is impossible to reform the FBI to make its agents honest,

to force them to obey the Constitution, the First, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments especially.

And it's a culture that cannot be changed.

Hoover established the culture, and no FBI director since has been able to change it.

If you go online, I did on YouTube a video

For the ACLU of Massachusetts, it was when I was on the board.

It was probably when I was president of the board.

I was president of the board for two years.

I was on the board for 20 years.

And I did a video about advising people to never, ever, ever talk to an FBI agent when they come knocking on your door.

They have a system.

When they come in and interview you,

Two agents show up, never one.

One asks the question, the other one takes notes.

The note-taking agent takes notes and then goes back to the office and types up a report called a Form 302, which is the official record of what was asked and answered.

So when I have a client interviewed by the FBI, I show up and...