Hazel Sills

We are in a moment for pop music right now where there are so many young women making music that reflects how women are talking about dating these days, which is quite pessimistic.

I think that the reception to some of the I love my man so much elements of the Taylor Swift album is evidence.

I'm glad you brought up Taylor Swift.

You're glad?

I was like, I regretted that.

No, go ahead.

Heteropessimism is basically the phenomenon of, like, expressing embarrassment or fatigue about being a heterosexual.

It was also coined in 2019 by the writer Asa Saracen in an article for The New Inquiry.

It often comes up, at least I see, in conversations from straight women around heterosexuality.

You know, there are feelings about being in a heterosexual relationship.

Thank you for having me.

No, yeah.

No, it's interesting.

So you bring up Destiny's Child.

I think that this moment is sort of similar to the past, but also different.

So when I hear this...

group of young women singing about relationships i am reminded of that like late 90s early 2000s era of r&b when we got like we got like say my name we got no scrubs we got it's not right but it's okay we got like oh he wasn't man enough yes yes sorry i'm like screaming i'm like

I'm like, yes.

And because there was kind of that like girl power streak, you know, in the late 90s where you had these women who were, you know, writing these just amazingly brutal kiss off songs to these guys who were just like cheating on them or they were broke and, you know, they weren't they weren't quality.

They weren't stepping up.