Heather Ann Thompson

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the anger, the disillusionment, all the things that we see today.

But Obama came of age at a time when there was some pushback to that.

There was some real pushback on the ground.

Occupy was a pushback to that consolidation of wealth and what that was really looking like in ordinary people's lives.

And Black Lives Matter was pushing back at that unleashed

violence, particularly against, and I would say with respect to President Obama, not just black men, of course, black women too.

And there was this moment of hope, I would say, but it was so, as you point out, the hostility to it was immediate.

It was profound.

And it actually then fueled the Fox News reaction that you read on steroids.

And then we start to see an even more virulent misinformation media come in that wake.

Yeah, exactly.

And you can really see that Trump himself understands this.

Trump had tried to run for president.

He had switched parties so many times.

He courted the Reagan White House.

He courted Bill Clinton.

He understood that he needed a national presence, so thus the apprentice, thus being on WWE wrestling.

He understood all of that.

But what he really understood—