Heather Dubrow

Like, why am I blamed for calling Kiki Monique when Jen and Ryan were also there and heard this story?

Because, Katie, we know that you went to lunch with Kiki Monique.

We don't know that Jen went to lunch with Kiki Monique.

I mean, Katie, girl.

I'm wondering if Gretchen is worried about getting sued or something.

Yeah.

And someone sent us a DM this week saying, or maybe it was a comment or something, saying, you guys, please don't make it sound like Ryan raped Gretchen.

Ryan didn't rape Gretchen.

She said no, and he laid off.

So please don't make... Okay, first of all, we never said...

that ryan raped gretchen but if you watch that episode again no that was not as simple as somebody saying no and then somebody backing off that was her getting progressively more and more wasted she's completely out of it in the whole episode and he's over there like putting things in her boobs

And he's on her with his hands all over the whole time, following her into the bathroom, coming onto her really heavy.

He did not.

She said no.

And he did not just walk away.

It was trying to convince her and trying to do all this shit, which you guys know that if this was to get today's standards, that would not fly at all.

I can't even believe it did back then.

But we're not saying he raped her, but we are saying that man is an extreme fucking creep.

And so is his mother.

And it's nuts that they got away with this.