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#2978 RHOC S19E07 Part 2: See Ya Later, Alligator

22 Aug 2025

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Chapter 1: What happened after Tamra rejoined The Real Housewives of Orange County?

7.439 - 21.915 Ben Mandelker

Hi, everyone.

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21.955 - 35.211 Ronnie Karam

Welcome back. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode. So Tamara's here.

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35.571 - 36.552 Tamra Judge

Dr. McKenna.

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37.139 - 41.004 Ronnie Karam

And the doctor's like, so, what's been going on with you?

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Chapter 2: How did Tamra's anxiety affect her interactions with the cast?

41.044 - 53.461 Tamra Judge

How are you feeling? Well, you know, I've been, like, really anxious and stuff. Because I was fighting with Eddie. And he had to, like, literally hold me down and calm me down, doctor.

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54.322 - 76.748 Gretchen Rossi

Yeah, you know, I went to Big Bear and I had to isolate myself. It was so hard. I was so alone. I was so bullied. You know how in Big Bear they have big wooden beds in every place? Every time they were going wild. I don't get paid for this episode, so here I am.

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77.318 - 91.057 Tamra Judge

It was so important for me to catch the big bear and to be isolated and alone. And that's what I was. Alone. Alone and big bear. Here's some footage that some person took of me being alone. Just so you know that I was alone with another person who could film me.

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91.958 - 96.444 Gretchen Rossi

Look at me. I'm sitting on a log all alone with somebody hiding behind a tree taking a picture.

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97.866 - 98.688 Heather Dubrow

I love that.

Chapter 3: What revelations emerged about Katie's accusations?

98.728 - 105.537 Heather Dubrow

It's just Tamara. I'm so alone sitting on a log. Someone took the picture, Tamara. I know.

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105.517 - 115.609 Tamra Judge

So she's like, well, I confronted this girl about taking movies, about talking about movies, and I wanted her to give me a chance to believe her.

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117.412 - 123.499 Ronnie Karam

I wanted her to give me a chance to believe her.

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123.98 - 130.748 Heather Dubrow

Sorry, I wanted to give her a chance to make me believe her or something like that. I'm inviting you.

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130.728 - 157.14 Ronnie Karam

i'm inviting you to say something truthful so i can finally believe you i'm i'm giving you the floor to change your narrative so it fits mine would you would you like to take that chance and then i just remember gretchen yelling at me and gina yelling at me and jennifer making a voodoo doll that was trying to copy my entire life when i called the car i said take me to the airport and then when we're driving i looked the driver was a beignet

158.605 - 173.56 Gretchen Rossi

I was such a mess. And prior to dinner, I called Teddy, and Teddy didn't answer. And I just thought Teddy died or something. So that's when I took half a Xanax, everybody. I don't even remember anything. I don't remember anything after that.

174.535 - 182.251 Ronnie Karam

And here you see a flashback of her calling Teddy. And Teddy's voicemail goes, hi, you've reached Teddy. Don't leave a voicemail.

182.652 - 186.76 Tamra Judge

And Tamara's like, Teddy, I'm leaving you a voicemail. I just hope you're doing okay.

Chapter 4: How did the cast react to the roofie allegations?

187.181 - 190.047 Tamra Judge

I'm on camera right now, so America needs to see that I care.

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190.145 - 196.02 Heather Dubrow

It's a very Teddy voicemail greeting. It's like, hey, I'm Teddy. Don't leave a voicemail.

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196.2 - 206.365 Ronnie Karam

Beep. But I love that she still leaves a voicemail. Because I think that Teddy sincerely is like, really, don't leave a voicemail. I don't want to deal with your voicemail. But I also like that Teddy just starts with, hi, I'm Teddy.

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206.345 - 211.612 Teddy Mellencamp

Hi, I'm Teddy. Hi, I'm Teddy. You reached my voicemail. Don't leave a message.

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213.294 - 227.593 Gretchen Rossi

I was just upset. So I took a Xanax and two drinks. It's because Teddy's sick, everybody. I just don't want people to see that side of me. The side of me where I get caught taking Xanax and drinks when everybody's seen that side of me nine million times on these episodes of this show.

227.573 - 239.107 Heather Dubrow

We all know. We know now what it is, but we've seen for years when you show up with your little black beady eyes and act like that. It's not like the first time that this has ever happened.

240.05 - 257.597 Ronnie Karam

And I love that she's like, you know, you know, they, they knew I did something. They could tell. And we just see these like little bubbles of like flashbacks. Like here's Tamara having, trying to have this very serious therapy scene. And they put up a little bubble of Gina going, yes, lost.

259.012 - 264.725 Gretchen Rossi

And then not one of them called me. Not one of them. No one's even concerned about me after I tell the motherfucker off and die.

Chapter 5: What dynamics changed between Gretchen and Katie?

264.905 - 268.614 Gretchen Rossi

I mean, it's crazy. Like, no one even cares how I got home and nothing.

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269.736 - 272.823 Heather Dubrow

And the doctor's like, uh-huh. And how do you make sense of that, honey?

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272.843 - 292.02 Gretchen Rossi

She's like, they don't care about me. They don't like me. Nobody likes me. I feel rejection. I have to think, I have to think, does this person like me? Now wherever I go, I'm like, does this person like me? The other day I went to buy a tank top and bear, big bear, and I was like, does that lady like me? Probably not. Probably not. She didn't respect all my trying and other sides.

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292.481 - 294.846 Gretchen Rossi

I've been pulling, pulling wherever I go.

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295.487 - 297.27 Tamra Judge

If I had to talk.

297.436 - 304.629 Ronnie Karam

So Doc is like, you're very wounded. And I would say just a little bit annoying. That's part of your pathology.

304.669 - 311.963 Tamra Judge

Yeah, well, after my dad left my mom and Sidney left me and Quiznos closed down, it's just hard to get close to someone.

Chapter 6: How did the group address past conflicts during dinner?

311.983 - 313.065 Tamra Judge

I put a wall up.

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317.315 - 332.414 Gretchen Rossi

It's my dad. And you know Sydney and stuff. I just feel like I'm never good enough. I just don't know where my place is anymore. It's almost like you can't accuse people of stuff and trying to ruin their lives and stuff without them saying something back at you. This is not right.

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333.595 - 354.477 Ronnie Karam

So then. Tamara. This is such a Tamara scene. Oh, my God. Tamara's therapy is the gift that keeps on giving. I love it. I love how she comes in there just like. It's like with Jax and his rehab scenes. Tamara coming in there crying and being like, oh, my God. Am I even allowed to talk? I can't even say a thing. People don't like me. I'm never good enough. Oh, woe is me.

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354.597 - 361.024 Ronnie Karam

And it's like you're completely reframing her wretched behavior that happens all the time. Oh, it's perfect villain behavior.

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361.004 - 387.653 Ronnie Karam

you're like wow so that's what you're wearing tonight i mean you look a little heavy god that one's really shitty of you to say oh i'm sorry i can't say anything i can't say anything oh okay cancel culture so then um we go to emily and she's home with luke and the family etc and so they're trying to get luke to eat some food looks like he's eating some fries whatever he doesn't want to eat any sweet potatoes it's funny because

387.633 - 406.572 Ronnie Karam

They're like, she's like, you want to have some sweet potato? And he's like, no way, Jose. And he's like, it's orange. And they're trying to show this as like further evidence, which I don't doubt, you know, he has a eating disorder, but I'm also like, to be fair as a kid, you might not want to use sweet potato. Like I was like, yeah, that is part of it.

406.832 - 407.813 Heather Dubrow

It's like, okay.

Chapter 7: What strategies did Emily and Jen use to support each other?

407.993 - 416.762 Ronnie Karam

And so would you like some broccoli, broccoli and Brussels sprouts? No. Oh my God.

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416.742 - 422.349 Emily Simpson

So it's like, you don't like orange food? Well, I mean, Keller would try anything. The normal one would eat it.

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422.749 - 442.513 Heather Dubrow

I'm like, God, how is this? Like, watching you deal with this is, like, hard. It's hard to watch. Even as a non-parent, I'm just like, oh, my God. And while I watch it, I'm like, don't say anything. You're not supposed to parent shame. You don't understand what this is like. This is not your lived experience. And I get all that. But at the same time, I'm like, oh, my God. You're going to...

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442.831 - 462.557 Ronnie Karam

why are you doing this stop it i think that she's trying to be like stop it i think she's trying to be like hey it's okay look keller eats it it's totally fine but it's really coming off as like keller eats it what's wrong with you hey non-freak you want to try sweet potato see that's how you do it Shane is like, okay, let's get him out of here.

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463.098 - 481.506 Ronnie Karam

So the kids go off, and he gives Emily this really, really long hug. He doesn't want to leave Emily, et cetera. So they go, and Emily starts talking about how when she was in New Orleans, Luke was calling over and over and over again, and it sort of made her feel bad.

482.948 - 488.717 Heather Dubrow

But then we see evidence of this, and every time he answers, she just puts it on, like, go to voicemail.

488.832 - 491.675 Emily Simpson

She's like, I just feel so guilty as a mom.

492.056 - 515.361 Heather Dubrow

You have a child in crisis and he called me over and over again. And then they show him calling and she's like, voicemail, voicemail, voicemail, voicemail. It's like, man, the editors hate your ass because that's, she was probably just like pressing likes on tweets or something. And the editors were like, yeah, let's just show Emily pressing ignore on her child in crisis over and over.

515.421 - 516.983 Ronnie Karam

That's cold, you guys. Come on.

Chapter 8: What conclusions were drawn about the unfolding drama in this episode?

517.942 - 539.888 Ronnie Karam

So she says that he started, like, when she came home, he was talking like all baby-like and regressive. And Shane's like, yeah, but when you're not here, he's like normal. It's just like when you're here, he talks like a baby. I'm not saying that you baby him, but maybe it's time to throw out the baby bottles. You know what I'm saying, Em? She's like, what? So they're talking about this.

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540.628 - 556.635 Heather Dubrow

Yeah, she's like, no, but it's neurological. That's why we have testing, Shane. And Shane's like, OK, but if it's neurological, then we have to work around it. You know, I mean, you go to New Orleans, he gets up, he gets ready and go to school. But when you're here, he texts you all day from school. He won't go. He won't leave.

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556.715 - 563.608 Heather Dubrow

He's hugging you like some of it is just an act for your attention, Emily. And she's like, it's possibly autistic and you're simplifying it.

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564.753 - 592.38 Ronnie Karam

basically like well now i'm getting mad because like you act like i have to like cry and be upset and consider like i don't have to like like i care just as much as you do but you're making it seem like because i'm not like expressing all these emotions that i don't feel the same way and then he tells us and i was sort of like i was sort of like i kind of like shane's perspective on this and then he starts saying how well i'm more sensitive to my girls and maybe that's wrong but like

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592.36 - 603.339 Ronnie Karam

you know, for me, like whatever. He's like, if it were me, I wouldn't send the boy, like send to a specialist right away. Cause like the, the, I'm always telling my boys, you have to like, you know, like toughen up and like walk it off. And I'm like, well, I don't know.

603.399 - 610.15 Ronnie Karam

Like, like if there's something that needs to be addressed, like go to a specialist, can we like step out of our gender roles for one second?

611.497 - 628.815 Heather Dubrow

I mean, I think what he's just trying to say is kids are kids and you don't know how much of it is a kid being just an odd kid and going through a phase or how much of it is an actual thing. And like his way is just kind of taking it at the kid's pace and figuring it out as they go along.

628.975 - 640.947 Heather Dubrow

And Emily is like freaking out over every little thing and trying to label it as, oh, God, it's got to be this disease or that disease or it has to be autism or it has to be an eating disorder. And he's like, can we just like...

640.927 - 670.731 Heather Dubrow

chill you know because even if it is those things it's not like we're gonna throw the kid it's not like there's something instant you can do where you can just throw the kid into some kind of a machine and change everything you're gonna just have to kind of learn how to deal with it as you go along right and so i think he's just got that more chill attitude where she's in like we have to fix it mode which i mean i can see both sides obviously i'm more of a shane you know i mean i was just raised to be like you're not going to the doctor unless you are bleeding out of your eye you know

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