Heather Mac Donald
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard Dec 2024
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I think one of the things that was most fascinating is he didn't seem very combative in this interview. But he didn't want to fight with you. And I thought he looked very relaxed and confident.
wow, we have a real problem in this country. The left has a real problem. I found it, in a sense, frustrating to hear you initially, Megan, rebutting the claim that this was somehow a justified act, because it seemed like it's tragic that we have to concede that much to even engage with these people. It should be so patently obvious that you're not allowed to kill
because you disagree with somebody politically. And to even engage in that argument is to concede too much, but obviously we need to. Let's recall, these are the same group of intersectional allies that also celebrated the Hamas attacks. There's something that has gone fundamentally wrong
with the left's understanding about some basic moral truths, which is you don't get to narcissistically kill some figurehead because you'd feel like you're in pain after back surgery, and you don't get to kill on the basis of political beliefs. But we also have assassinations on Trump. This is being a poison that's being bred
In the universities, which proceeds with a Manichean worldview about the evil of anything associated with capitalism, with anything associated with Western civilization, and that glorifies alleged victims, alleged marginalized people. And clearly is very closely positioned to the next step, which is that it's okay to kill. Lawrence is basically a mainstream media figure.
He works for the bulwark. I have to feel sometimes that the anarchism of the early 20th century, that we're past that, that that kind of solipsistic embrace of evil and of the notion that you have a right to go around killing people that you disagree with, we're certainly never going to return to that degree of of contagious insanity.
But listening to this, I don't know, we are moving in that direction. You know, this is not, and it's not even an underground movement. You know, the anarchists were understood as enemies of the state and they did everything they could to cover their tracks and cover their
Propaganda to a certain extent, although they were also out there leafleting, but their homicidal intentions were not exactly out in the open. But these are people that are going on to social media, the most public realm in the world, and proclaiming that they don't have a problem with murder.
I lack the language, Megan, to really describe in a sort of a Cassandra-like position what may be going on here. We all thought that there was a course correction with the Trump election, and people are saying no more with the identity-based grievance, which this is related to in a certain way. But we clearly have a very, very long road to tread here.
to get back to some kind of shared value system. I mean, the irony, you know, you mentioned the Daniel Penny, Jordan Neely verdict that this killer is being described as a hero, and then an actual hero was being treated as a homicidal criminal and villain. We're living in an upside down world, at least to the extent that you live in the elite bubble ideology.
I don't know. I hope that there's more people like Piers Morgan out there in the mainstream media that are distancing themselves from these views, because if they're not, you're allowing it to stay out there unrebutted. And it's, you know, I think Trump is under constant threat of another assassination to the extent that you whip people up. And of course, let's be fair.
You know, the left probably thinks that the right's rhetoric is just as unhinged and just as dangerous, just as apocryphal and unduly Manichean that could give rise to right-wing kooks. And, you know, there's always a risk about directly linking rhetoric to action. There should be a very, very wide berth for politically extreme rhetoric.
As long as you're not calling for violence, it's not clear that anybody that embraces a certain kind of discourse should be held responsible for somebody who acts out in the name of that discourse. So both sides view the other as engaged in completely unhinged rhetoric. Nevertheless, I don't think there's anything comparable I mean, maybe there is.
Maybe there's some right-wing kooks that are justifying in advance using violence against people you disagree with. But, you know, we've seen young people have completely lost understanding of the First Amendment. They do not understand fundamental principles of discourse, of the free market of ideas. that the best way to counter ideas that you disagree with is to argue against them.
You don't silence people. You don't arrogate to yourself the power of censorship. So that's bad enough that we've lost sight of that fundamental principle of democracy, a principle that is given power to the marginalized throughout the ages.
You have Frederick Douglass saying the thing that tyrants fear most is freedom of the press because it allows those who oppose slavery to throw off their chains. Now you have the left opposing the freedom of the press, But it's even worse than that. It's even worse.
Now you have the left saying thou shalt kill people who you think are denying services because you have a certain view of health insurance. This is a principle that is going to lead to a complete civil war. there's many health insurance executives out there, as Piers Morgan said, should they all be killed? Follow the principle. And the answer is yes. And then you move on to oil executives.
Wall Street. Absolutely. Although, you know, Wall Street is it's weird. It's in sort of a transition because Wall Street is, of course, also very left. So, you know, we get to rail against capitalism, except when we're drawing on billions to support our left-wing campaigns. So, but yeah.
Again, part of me rebels against us even having this conversation, Megan. We should not be having to persuade other people that you don't get to kill a corporate executive because you disagree with his policies. Why are we drawn into this? But if we didn't have it, I guess they'd go unchallenged. But one wonders again and again –
What common ground do we have now with people on the progressive left and even liberals? If you can't even agree – I used to think that, well, there's no common ground because we can't even agree that chromosomes – determine one's biological sex, that we have made this enormous progress in understanding genetics. We should be celebrating that. We have cracked the genetic code.
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