Heather Radke

Because what all of this was telling John, what self-esteem was telling John... Was that at the root of most of our social ills were people who didn't believe in their fundamental value.

So by 1984, he was the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee.

The interview is being recorded in Berkeley, California.

It's a wonderful thing that you're doing.

But what does that look like when you translate that into real work in the world?

Because he wasn't happy.

He was never content with just...

Shooting the shit, as he used to say, just talking, it had to result in something that made a difference.

It was the hardest thing I've ever had to do to keep documenting the murder of my brother, but I knew without a doubt that's absolutely what Brent would have wanted me to do.

And for John... This is more than just a personal venture, an odyssey.

It's more than just something for the classroom.

It seems to me that self-esteem is the vision, the heart of a new culture.

a new way of being, a new way of living, a new way of educating and politicking and living and working and all the rest.

And may you have in your own lives ever more freedom to be esteeming, to be public, to be political, and to have good times for yourselves.

Thank you.

And, you know, that was part of John's genius and shadow.

I'd say yes and no.

I think there was a lot that he was proud of, and rightly so, and yet there was a lot that he would have said is undone.

Um...

And I'm pretty sure he was disappointed that he never realized some of the levels that I think he thought he was capable of.