Helen Bond

most people from that kind of status level wouldn't leave any record whatsoever.

So the fact that we've got letters from Paul, St.

Paul, from 20 years after his death is quite a big issue.

And Paul knows Jesus' family.

He knows Jesus' disciples.

You know, there's plenty of people still around 20 years later to say, what are you on about, Paul?

You know,

You're making all this up.

So I think that's pretty good.

So even if the earliest gospel might be about 40 years after the time of Jesus, I think it's still within lifetimes of people, even ancient people.

Yeah.

I mean, 20 years in the case of Paul's letters.

So, I mean, people sometimes say, yeah, but they're insiders.

You know, they were all in on it.

They're all making it up.

But that just seems too complex, too sort of, you know, I mean, it just doesn't make any sense.

I think it's far more easy just to believe that there was a person and, you know, there might have been changes to what people were believing in him later on.

But I think, you know, at the basis of it, there was a genuine person called Jesus from Nazareth.

And it's not just Paul, is it?

Yeah, yeah.