Helen Lewis

It's a really interesting finding.

And part of it, I think, has to be to do with kind of sex-segregated algorithmic feeds and people spending more time in segregated online spaces than they do in the playground or the local youth center or the pool hall or wherever it might be.

And those are really unhealthy things.

Alice Evans has this theory, the sociologist, about young people de-radicalizing each other if they can just spend enough time together.

And so, yeah, I think you're right to continue to bring this back to an almost spiritual discussion because...

These ideas wouldn't be so popular if they weren't filling a lack and a feeling of ennui and alienation.

And I would like those to be filled in a better way.

But the starting point for that is recognizing that those feelings exist.

That's so interesting.

I hadn't ever really thought about it like that.

But you're right.

I think every political party now has to pay such attention to aesthetics.

It's just that MAGA has an aesthetic.

I'm not sure if someone said to you, what's the Kamala Harris aesthetic?

I'm not sure you could really sum it up.

Or what's the Democrat aesthetic?

For a while, it was the kind of, nevertheless, she persisted, I'm with her.

Again, these are very female-focused slogans.

And the kind of, you know, sort of lightweight corporate you-go-girlism.

But I wouldn't say that I think that the left has got to