Helen Padman

Well, this is part of the whole recipe.

I do this and I'm successful.

What am I going to do at 5 o'clock?

There is physical dependence that people take out of consideration.

Particularly without alcohol.

Yeah.

It's like you can't actually just stop at any moment.

You kind of have to like titrate.

And if you're an addict, you can't titrate.

What is the distinction?

Are you like, oh my God, my brother has to keep... Do you have guilt about that?

I just mean letting people down is part of the shame.

Power of the brain.

It's sad.

I mean, that's why when you tell the stories about people saying degenerate crack addict and stuff, it's like, who can't hear these things and not think, one, thank God I don't have that.

Two, this is sad.

We need to help people to, like, shame, to add to the shame.

I do not understand.

I think it's maybe worth, we maybe should have done this earlier, but to remind people of the difference between shame and guilt, because those are very different.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like shame is I'm bad and guilt is I did something bad.