Hester Grainger

But would we?

I think we'd like to, we'd feel the shame, but actually the energy and the executive function, et cetera, might not always play out like that.

But yeah, shame plays a huge part in it, I think.

I think that should be part of the diagnostic criteria.

How far along do you get with cleaning or sorting?

Is it messier than it was before?

Because you're right.

It's that kind of get everything out and then you put on a random hat or something you found from years ago where you found this, that, and actually you've got completely sidetracked.

Everything is in a mess and much worse.

But I think the intention's there.

So I think that's the difficult part because you want a tidy house.

Most people do anyway.

Yes, perfect.

This is it, isn't it?

I think that's a lovely idea.

And that is the type of neurotypical cleaning advice you'd get, isn't it?

Sort your home out, do a little bit each day, keep on top of it.

Like the amount of times I have the intention to hoover every day and I'm like, we've just got a little whizzy round hoover for downstairs, it's all hard floors, isn't too difficult.

And then I'm like, or I could just do something else less boring.

Right.