Holly Wainwright

And it's like we've watched him go from like cool young guy to sad old guy.

He doesn't know what K-pop is.

It's confronting.

He was there at the Golden Globes.

He was like, the K-pop people, I don't get it.

Anyway, they will also make sure that no demons infiltrate the event, which is going to be handy.

Wow, Claire Stephens.

I want to know from you because one of the things as a manager is how to react when people cry.

How did you get to a place where you were comfy enough to just let Em sit there sobbing?

So that's what I was going to ask is how you want to be treated when you're crying.

Because there are different reasons, right?

If Em was crying because she was upset about something at work, would your reaction be different?

Or do you just think generally...

let's all agree I can't see your tears.

I can't see your shaking shoulders and I'm just going to pretend like nothing's happening.

Is that what you're advocating?

Well, no.

The idea is to let them cry because, A, they need to get through that to get to the next bit and also because it's quite good content sometimes.

But at the same time, I think it's situation dependent because if someone's genuinely very upset, then you need to comfort them.

You need to be a human being and comfort them.